Two Shining Stars in an Age of Darkness


iStock 000010462981XSmall 150x150 Two Shining Stars in an Age of DarknessOne of my favorite shows on TV of late is Shark Tank.

The show centers on aspiring, brave, and sometimes downright idiotic inventors and entrepreneurs who pitch their ideas in front of a group of merciless, seemingly heartless multimillionaires, begging for investment capital.

Some of the advice that come from these “sharks” are pretty obvious and commonsensical, especially to people who’s been in business for as long as I have.

But a lot of it is brilliant. Brilliant, but also brazen, unabashed, and brutally honest. It’s not for the faint of heart. If you don’t like seeing people, along with their hopes, dreams, and business ideas being shred to pieces on TV, then this show is certainly not for you.

The more I watch that show, the more I learn. It’s not just a fascinating program, it’s a million-dollar education in just one hour a week. And for free to boot. If you ever get a chance to watch that show, do it. You’re going to learn so much. It’s an amazing show.

If an idea or business is dumb, dead, or downright dreadful, they will say it. Often, in no uncertain terms. They have to. After all, their money is on the line.

But then again, so should it be with you.

One line from the show, from shark Barbara Corcoran, was absolutely dead-on in one case. She said to one fledgling, near-bankrupt businessman with a poorly researched idea in which he invested almost all of his family’s savings (and I’m paraphrasing, here):

“It takes a lot of courage to be as passionate and persistent about a business idea, but it takes a lot more courage to know when to quit, and to let it go and move on.”

And this got me thinking about how some people online are like that. I’m not just talking about businesspeople who needlessly cling to a losing idea or business, which are many. Too many to count, I’m afraid. The Internet is filled with them.

But I’m talking about sharks. Experts who really know their stuff, and who may say the most unflattering things that might kill your pride but may very well save your butt. That is, if you let go of your ego for a moment and truly listen to what they have to say.

Many a guru come and go, and the people I’ve followed over the years have changed. Change is a part of reality. I’ve changed. We all do. But some people I’ve stopped following because their philosophy no longer fits with mine or into what I find acceptable.

(And with all that’s happening in our industry these days, with all the crackdowns, letdowns, and putdowns, I don’t think I’m the only one who feels that way.)

But that’s OK. That’s how the world turns.

I guess that, as I’ve grown older, wiser, and more battle-worn, with a dash of cynicism and mistrust added to the mix, I’ve also become pickier and more prudent in who I follow and listen to. That’s why there are just a handful of select people I follow today.

There are two fellows in particular from this group of people who I’ve followed for a long time, ever since they were members of my now defunct copywriters discussion forum. The thing is, they are not as well-known as what you normally call your typical “guru.”

I followed them on their blogs and newsletters. For years, I’ve digested their tips, insights, and sometimes incisive commentary like they were part of a endless buffet served as a starving death-row inmate’s last meal. Licking the plates along with it.

So who are these guys?

These two men are none other than Jason Leister and Ricky Breslin.

Their brilliance shines. Their philosophy is flexible enough to adapt to changes, but solid enough to remain unwavering and unaffected — no matter how the economy swings, and no matter how many new marketing methods come and go.

Their occasional insights and sometimes slap-in-the-face advice on business, the Internet, and even life have always struck me as amazing. To some, they appear as oddball contrarians, and that’s probably why they are not as well known as the usual suspects.

There are not a lot of people who are that real. I mean, really real. I mean, “I don’t care if this hurts your ego but it’s going to save your business (or make you money)” real. They are down to earth and personable, but seriously sharp and dangerously savvy.

These are two guys to watch out for.

Now, there are not the only ones, mind you. A few others I’ve known for a while personify these qualities already. Such as Paul Myers, Jim Edwards, Terry Dean, Lynn Terry, Larry Winget, just to name a few. (Including my brilliant wife, Sylvie Fortin.)

But Jason and Ricky are in that group I would categorize as real experts.

For example, Jason just blogged about the future of information marketing.

And he said something I’ve been saying for a long time.

And that’s the idea that marketing, particularly Internet marketing, is no longer about communications but about conversations. It’s no longer about content but about context. It’s no longer about copy that sells but about the connection with the people who buy.

In short, the gold is not “in the list” but in the relationships.

Nevertheless, they are marketers who are not afraid to tell it like it is. But also, they are guys who understand relationships. People. Trust. Ethics. And above all, sales and business. They are sharks. And I think that’s what the Internet needs right now.

I’m not talking about “those” sharks. The Internet has been filled with the wrong kind of predators for too long. No, I’m talking about the kind of sharks who are willing to take a bite out of bad ideas, bad businesses, and bad marketing practices.

Be a shark with your business. Your money. Your clients. And especially your integrity and your reputation. More important, be a shark with yourself, and the people you follow and whose advice you listen to. If not, any of these will be the ones eating you alive.

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Drastic Changes Are Coming


business team shockThe new year is around the corner. It’s a time for resolutions. A time for change. And sometimes, those changes need to be drastic.

On December 16, 2009, while we conduct our regular weekly webinar for our Success Chef students, we will be making a major announcement about radical changes we’re making to our current business model…

… Changes that not only affect our students but also might affect the Internet marketing training industry as a whole.

So we’re opening up this live class to the public for the first time. For this one time, we’re inviting everyone who wants to join us on this webinar, and not just our paying students.

These changes might surprise you. Or shock you. They even might make some people mad. But they must be made. And together with Sylvie Fortin, author of the controversial Internet Marketing Sins, we will be announcing those changes on that special webinar.

The reason is simple — but it’s not what you think. We’re not selling anything new. This is not a typical promotional or sales pitch webinar. It’s a special announcement, one we’ve been itching to make for a very long time. All I can say is, “It’s about time!”

We recorded this very brief video and wrote this open letter to explain.

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How to Negotiate Better Copywriting Fees


handshakeAfter reading some of my articles on how to find copywriting clients, one of my students, Jeff, asked me an interesting question.

He’s an aspiring copywriter and wants to build his own freelance copywriting business. When he read that I wrote copy for free when I started my career as a copywriter, he told me he was thinking about doing the same.

However, he wondered if he should ask for something, anything, in return. In fact, here was his question…

“Mike, my friends have a very small business, and they have asked me to do copy for them. They say they can’t really pay me that much. I have told them I will do it for free as long as I get rights to the copy and can use it for a reference and in my portfolio. I think this is a wonderful opportunity to get more experience, but my wife wants to see some money on the table.

“I value your opinion. Can you help?”

Here was my answer.

Asking for a concession in exchange for offering one is always the way to do it. While I believe your trade-off is good in principle, it’s still meager. I would consider some money — or some larger concession on the part of the client. Here’s why…

Writing salescopy completely for free is never good. I know from personal experience. What you should be looking for is a return on your “investment” (because writing copy for free is indeed an investment on your part), for two reasons:

  • To stop potential nibbling, grinding away your time and resources. If getting such a valuable service for free was that easy, they are left wondering, “What else can get for free?” It’s illogical, but they feel cheated if they don’t get more.
  • And to add value to your services (because doing something supposedly of high value for free paints a low perceived value and makes you, or the services you provide and especially the final product you create, look cheap).

In essence, there’s a disproportionate balance between the value of your service and the value of the concession you’re making, which will inevitably harm you.

So the goal is, you want to take the focus away from a trade-off based on free copy to one based on a concession: apples to apples, or value for value, in other words.

Otherwise, it can lead to a few problems once the service is rendered — problems that will be more difficult to resolve if not impossible than they are to prevent.

For one, the person could ask you for more, and more, and then more, slowly nibbling away at your time, your money, and your resources. They feel they can get more since it was so easy. Again, it seems paradoxical. But that’s how your clients will react.

(It’s manipulation. While some will do this conspicuously, others will do this indirectly, nudgingly, and subtly, often even without your knowledge — especially if they’re friends of yours, since your willingness to help will also make it easier for them to do so.)

I know this from personal experience.

Early in my career, I’ve written copy for free for clients who, after delivering it, kept asking for small tweaks, here and there, all the time. I never got paid for the extra work.

The worst part was, this happened more often with clients whose copy I wrote for free, or copy offered at a substantial discount after they haggled with me on price.

Even in those cases, when there was a signed contract, they still found ways around it, and continued to ask me for more concessions after the copy was delivered.

Trust me. I’ve been in these situations too many times.

One of my favorite speakers is Larry Winget, author of “Shut Up, Stop Whining, and Get a Life!” and “You’re Broke Because You Want to Be.” On his program, “Success is Your Own Fault,” Larry quotes the Sanborn Maxim, which goes:

“The customers who are willing to pay you the least will always demand the most.”

(Re-read it. That statement is profound. It certainly was for me.)

Nevertheless, the problem is that there is a “concession mismatch.” Stated differently, the perceived value of each concession is not equal to each other.

It’s not because the copy is free but because it is free and what you’re asking for in return is meager when compared to the larger concession you’re making — the concession being a finished, completely written piece of sales copy.

Look at it this way: offering copy for free is like a marketing investment. (That’s how I looked at it.) But if you offer copy for, say, $2,000, would you therefore spend $2,000 on a single ad to market your services just to get that one client? Of course not.

Psychologically, by writing copy for free you are not adding enough value to your concession. More importantly, you are literally taking value away from your product.

Think about it. By making your end-product the concession itself, then the perception will be that the end-product will be of low value, too. Why? Because the concession they are making, in exchange, is meaningless in comparison. You get what you pay for, right?

Sure, building your portfolio is important to you. But giving you the ability to add their copy to your portfolio is worth how much to your client? How big of a concession is that to them? What are they really giving up in return? In many cases, not much.

Since you are not asking the client to make a significant concession in exchange for your concession, then you’re not only devaluing what you offer but also yourself.

To be clear, asking for tradeoffs is good and you’re doing well in asking for one. It adds value to any concession you’re making by always asking for something in return.

Never make a concession, even if it’s as simple as a discount, without asking for one in exchange. Call it a “counter-concession.” This is nothing new. Most of the top negotiating experts out there, like Roger Dawson and Herb Cohen for instance, teach this.

This is an important concept to grasp, even if they’re friends of yours: the perceived value of the service depreciates immediately after the service is rendered.

Why is this important? For one, if the copy doesn’t do as well as expected, who cares if you did it for free? (Your client certainly won’t.) But it goes further than that.

If all you had were rights to the copy and it did perform well, and if anything should happen between you two, would you ever consider stopping your friend from using your copy? Even to the point of sending them a cease and desist, or taking legal action?

Friendships notwithstanding, would you be willing to work twice as hard trying to satisfy an insatiable client when you could be working on other, better, paying clients?

It’s something to think about.

Asking for a larger concession before work starts helps to stop the potential grinding-away process after the copy is delivered. If they try, then each time they ask for a concession you in turn ask for one. Always ask for a counter-concession. Always.

Plus, by asking for a substantial concession in the beginning, you also increase the perception that each counter-concession you will ask with each one they request from you will be just as large, which will force them to think twice before nibbling for more.

If they are demanding (and cheap clients usually are), ask yourself:

“Am I prepared to do two to three times the work, deal with a high-maintenance client, and divert my attention away from other, paying clients (let alone away from marketing my services in order to find better clients), for a mere addition to my résumé?”

On the other hand, making a balanced concession — giving a discount instead of doing it for free, for example — will increase your perceived worth. And a good way to do this is to raise your fees. Raising your prices is not just about increasing perceived value.

By raising your fees and giving a more substantial concession will allow you to ask for a larger concession from them in return. So ask for something upfront, even if it’s little.

Say: “I understand this may be out of your budget range. In exchange for a special consideration (a discount), may I suggest (whatever concession you want them to make).”

Even better, let them make their counter-concession for you. They might surprise you, as it might be a lot more than you anticipated. Say something like: “In exchange, what can you do for me?” Then let them tell you what they’re prepared to offer you in return.

(Incidentally, doing it this way also gives you a pretty good idea of what they think of you, and how much value they place in your services and your copy.)

Ultimately, your copy no longer becomes the object of the tradeoff. Your consideration — e.g., a discount or whatever concession you’re making — is. Apples to apples.

Also, don’t limit yourself to a discount. You can offer a bonus (such as an extra revision, free of charge), an extra consultation, an extended guarantee, an add-on service (such as writing the opt-in page copy, formatting, or even testing the copy), and so on.

That’s why the key is to breakdown and denominate each component of your service — from research to revisions. In other words, give each component a price tag. Sure, give a flat rate. But break the project down into individual parts, with individual values.

Not only will each element have a price tag, which can be used in the negotiation, but also it will help to justify your higher fees. It will seem less “pulled out of thin air.”

When a prospect sees the value behind every individual component, they also get a better appreciation of what you do, how you price your work, and how much they are truly getting if you were to concede on any one of those elements.

For example, if a client asks for a discount, you can say: “As you can see Mrs. Prospect, your project includes one post-delivery revision, which is worth $1,000, absolutely free of charge. Here’s what I can do. I can throw in an extra one. Fair enough?”

In the end, you add weight to your tradeoff, and your copy thus retains its value.

On the flip side, your client’s concession doesn’t have to be just a mere addition to your portfolio, which is minimal at best. (In fact, adding your copy to your portfolio should be automatically included in your agreement with any copy you write, anyway.)

Remember, you want to match their concession with yours. Better said, you want to match the perceived value of both your concessions. Perceived value is key.

So here’s another option. Ask for royalties or commissions. You can offer your friends a significant concession in exchange for a percentage of gross sales your copy produces, for as long as they use your copy if not for a predetermined period of time.

If royalties are not an option (particularly if you’re new, or if you don’t know the client or their business well enough), you can ask for other things. For example, you can barter — in fact, bartering is often the most overlooked negotiation strategy.

Or have them write a testimonial about you, get them to give you quality referrals, or ask them to send a broadcast to their lists promoting you. The trick is to get this in writing, and to ensure they deliver their end of the deal within a specific period of time.

Remember, the perceived value of your service — including the perceived value of the concession you’re making — depreciates immediately after the service has been rendered. The longer they wait to comply, the less meaningful your concession becomes.

That’s why this is preferably specified in a written agreement before work begins.

If they they fail comply within a specified period of time, then you can charge them your full fee — or for the amount of the concession, if they already paid you (have an agreement in place before work starts, so you will have legal recourse to do so).

In fact, having a written agreement prior to commencing any work is essential. Get it in writing, even if it’s a simple letter of understanding or intent. When it’s written down, it’s more than just for legal reasons. It’s also a psychological commitment.

Finally, remember that it’s better to negotiate on a concession (whether it’s a discount or not) than it is on the entire copy itself — such as by offering it for free.

If they want apples, stick with apples. Not oranges. And certainly not the orchard.

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The Greatest Marketing Secret of All Time


InterviewI wrote this article way back in 1998. It seems to have made a resurgence, especially with today’s economy. So I said to myself, “Why not republish it?” So here it is. Enjoy!

If there is something about which I’m pretty adamant, it’s the idea of attracting qualified prospects who are willing to do business with you. And this involves many different things.

Positioning is one of them. In fact, it has been one of my favorite marketing concepts for this very reason.

However, this fundamental magnetism is not only based on pure marketing practices or strategies. It also involves something at a much deeper level that is far more effective than any other marketing tool or process in existence.

This “thing” to which I am referring is, I believe, the most important marketing secret I can ever teach you — and it’s far from being a secret at all. It is considered as one simply because it is often neglected or ignored by many marketers and businesspeople.

What is this “secret” that’s so elusive?

Before I divulge it to you, I must first admit that it upsets me terribly to see when people tend to scoff their most valuable marketing assets. No, I’m not referring to salespeople or promotional activities. I’m not referring to prospects or clients, either.

I’m referring to love and passion.

The love they have for what they do, what they offer, and who they serve.

(Or the love they should have, anyway.)

Jack Trout and Al Ries, the fathers of positioning, once wrote: “Marketing is not a battle of products, but of perceptions.” Like it or not, marketing really is all about perception.

When I first started out in business, my mentor once told me something similar. He said, “Perceived truth is more powerful than truth itself.” Little did he know how this one statement affected me — and how it literally changed the way I look at business.

My business. My products. And particularly, my clients.

If people perceive doing business with you has an implicit added value, especially when compared to your competitors fiercely fighting for your market’s attention, you will often end up with their confidence, their business, and their loyalty as a result.

Of course, there are numerous ways you can add value to your business. Beyond applying fundamental marketing practices, you can and should find new and unique ways to differentiate yourself, increase your exposure, and promote your business.

But to me, the best marketing doesn’t rely on tactics.

To me, the most effective way to communicate added value is through the genuine, sincere, and passionate zest you have for what you do and the clients you serve.

People have a tendency to gravitate toward other people who love what they do — their enthusiasm, charisma, and authentic desire to serve others are instantly communicated through their actions and particularly their marketing efforts. No matter what they are.

Sadly, however, the marketplace is filled with so many people who jump into business for one sole purpose: Money. Granted, the economy might be to blame. But is it, really?

People work for a pension instead of a passion. Entrepreneurs are so profit-minded that they fail to enjoy the process. Marketers focus on how many sales they can achieve, but then wonder why they have to keep repeating the process to sustain their businesses.

I believe the real secret to success lies much deeper. In fact, the great mythologist, Joseph Campbell, said it best when he said that old cliché decades ago.

“Follow your bliss.”

But that saying is a lot older than you think. In fact, it was in 500 B.C. when Chinese sage Confucius said: “Do what you love and you’ll never have to work a day in your life.”

Since then, author Marsha Sinetar wrote: “Do what you love and the money will follow.” In his book, “Life 101,” Peter McWilliams claimed: “Do what you love and the necessary resources will follow.” I’ve read all those books and I agree with all of them.

However, I believe this concept can also be applied to business. That’s why I say…

“Do what you love and the business will follow.”

That’s the greatest marketing secret of all time. It’s to do what you love or to love what you do. And if you don’t love what you do, then find it. Make that your bliss.

As Jim Rohn once said, “If you don’t like where you are, then change it! You’re not a tree.” (And “where you are” may not always be limited to a physical location, either.)

Doing what one loves is a fundamental marketing process.

For example, when you deal with two people competing for your business, and if one of them has the “fire burning in their belly” (a genuine passion for what that person does), then how much more willing will you be to do business with that person than the other?

How much more believable and credible will that person be compared to the other? And most important, how much more value will that person bring to the table than the other?

Enough said.

People who love what they do generate far more word-of-mouth advertising. In subtle ways, they communicate that they are experts, that they are interested more in your needs than in your money, and that they will go out of their way to please you.

They develop far more enriching, rewarding, and superior customer relationships — let alone fans, referral-sources, and advocates for you, your products, and your business.

Entrepreneurialism has increased in fervor these days, and that’s good. But as a result, the hypercompetitive nature of the marketplace will in turn increase the demand for more uniqueness, more competitive value, and greater customer service.

However, if you do what you love or love what you do, your passion will communicate all of those things combined. It will come naturally and, I daresay, seemingly effortlessly.

Just as people choose to work in jobs they hate, many will choose a business or an endeavor that gives them absolutely no sense of purpose. They do it just for the money.

Workers will attempt to earn a living and do so with retirement in mind. Similarly, many entrepreneurs will start a business with the mere thought of financial independence.

In either case, they are anxiously awaiting those golden years when they will finally be able to start enjoying their lives. (The funny part is, the future is guaranteed to no one. So the key is to enjoy it now, not later. Because later may never come.)

But don’t confuse “enjoyment” with “love.” Doing what you love doesn’t always mean enjoying what you love. It does take work. Often, work you might not enjoy.

However, if your goal is to focus on creating a successful business, then do it at the service of others, not at the expense of others. Do what you love, and the business will follow. Love the people you serve, and the customers will follow. That’s the key.

Needless to say, if you do what you love in a business you enjoy, you will not only make money as a natural byproduct but also enjoy much happiness, satisfaction, joy, inner peace, and of all things, security in the process. And that’s what we really want, isn’t it?

Ultimately, your love will emanate in all that you do. You will naturally attract more business by the sheer fact that your passion is also communicating that you are offering the best solution to their problems. That solution is… you!

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